It is fun to hand in your FSR with ZERO hours noted on it, yer the numeral 0. See the reaction.
Personally I just stopped reporting and never was questioned...but this is in Europe.
Designer Stubble
JoinedPosts by Designer Stubble
-
163
Field service reporting
by gutted inso one of the elders called asking for my time.
i lied, somewhat.
yes i did talk to people about the "truth" but not in favourable terms.. has anyone simply stated, "i have not been in service this month"?
-
-
-
35
Consequences for remarriage if "unscripturally" divorced???
by compound complex ingreetings, fellow posters, happy couples, resigned singles:.
i know many of you are happily partnered, irrespective of wt rules and regulations on "appropriate" matches.. if you have had a so-called unscriptural divorce and are or were known as a jw, have you dated, lived with another person - a "significant other" - or remarried?.
if you can answer "yes" to any of the above, what were the consequences for you amongst jw family and friends?.
-
-
Designer Stubble
This is what the Flock book (Elders Manual) has to say on page 135:
Courting or dating when one party is not free to marry is
wrong. (w80 8/1 pp. 30-1 ; w68 4/15 pp. 255-6)
Strong counsel and repeated warnings should be given,
and if the counsel is ignored, the individual(s) may be
marked. (2 Thess . 3 :14, 15)
When such action has escalated to the point where it has
become shocking and repeated efforts to help adjust the
situation have been ignored, there may be basis for taking
disfellowshipping action . (Gal . 5 :19; w83 3/15 p. 31 ;
w73 9/15 pp . 574-6)
If a person who has entered into an adulterous marriage is
eventually reinstated, it would be a rare case for him to
be recommended to serve in a responsible position in the
congregation, at least not until after the remarriage or
death of the mate he put away without Scriptural basis .
-
69
On A Scale Of 1 to 10 What Type Of "Apostate" Are You?
by minimus inare you barely on the scale or are you a hardcore "apostate"?.
-
-
Designer Stubble
According to WTBTS terms, I probably score an 8, with Ray Franz being a 10 and people like Barbara Anderson and Randy Walters being a 9.
However, I view myself (and the persons I mentioned above) as a person who just want to get the FACTS straight and will do whatever I can to expose the (printed) lies of the WTBTS. Does wanting FACTS and the REAL truth make me an Apostate. If it does, then I proudly carry that label.
-
25
Pretty funny Facebook post by young JW
by tresdecu inso, i have the day off and am wasting time on fb.
came across this post by a friend of a friend etc...i won't post his name with the comment, but this was on his wall:.
"thank you everyone who wished me well today.
-
-
Designer Stubble
Able to drink LEGALLY...meaning "I did this all the time anyway, only now it is legal"
and indeed a BJ would be nice to...
-
45
WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave
by Designer Stubble inthe wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
-
-
Designer Stubble
Examples of songs elevating the FDS:
Song 51/11: Making Jehovah’s Heart Glad
Old Book (Song 51):
2. May we from your side never move;
A liar the Tempter we would prove.
Your principles and laws so right
We would make daily our delight.
New Book (Song 11):
2. Your slave, your steward here on earth,
Proclaims your greatness and your worth,
Feeds us with nourishment when due,
Thus strengthens us your will to do.Song 174 and 43 - Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty.
Second verse: Old book - "In his place each one be heeding, what Christ Jesus has to say" - NEW ONE -> "Stay alert to Christ's direction, Through his faithful slave today, heed the counsel of the older men"
-
45
WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave
by Designer Stubble inthe wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
-
-
Designer Stubble
The WT of September 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on Unity. One is titled: “Unity Identifies True Worship” and the other “Christian Unity Glorifies God”. Of course it is more UNIFORMITY, not true unity. Once again the Faithful and Discrete slave proved to be not so discrete, as they literally placed themselves in the place of Jesus. I am so glad not to have to listen to this crap any more. Please read the quotes below, directly taken from the WT:
We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.
In this time of the end, Christ has committed “all his belongings”— all the earthly interests of the Kingdom—to his “faithful and discreet slave” and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.
Jesus had prophesied that “on arriving” to inspect his domestics during “the conclusion of the system of things,” he would find a slave providing them “food at the proper time.” He would pronounce that slave happy and would “appoint him over all his belongings” on earth. As Head of the Christian congregation, Christ has used this “faithful and discreet slave” to administer His Kingdom interests on earth. He has provided direction for the anointed “domestics” and their “other sheep” companions by means of a Governing Body.
-
10
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm
by booby inthis is prompted by a fokyc comment on the thread "what question would you ask a visiting governing body member?".
can anyone read the garbage referenced by that link without saying "bullshit?
" they mention several times how important the children are and yet the article seems more to be insisting that they have this high moral ground to protect the accused.
-
-
Designer Stubble
So the two witness rule still applies.
Then the example of a 18 and 15 year old, where the majority is far younger.
Finally stating that no human organization is perfect - where as in all other cases it is so called "Jehovah's spirit driven organization".
This is repulsive and makes me sick. Glad I am no longer part of such a degraded pedophile organization.
-
44
DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes
by Designer Stubble inlooking up all the references is a lot of work - one of the reasons nobody normally verifies these, but trust the writers.
as you will see, the writers are banking on this, but it is not a good thing to trust the wtbts writers.
please find the bibliography worked out for quotes 38-51, covering the heading "what about human evolution".. interesting is that many quotes are from the [u]preface[/u] of books, where the authors honestly explain the difficulties and assumptions related to evolutionary science.. [b]what about human evolution?[/b].
-
-
Designer Stubble
Started with the heading on HUMAN EVOLUTION, hence from 38 onward. I am now working on 1-37.
-
44
DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes
by Designer Stubble inlooking up all the references is a lot of work - one of the reasons nobody normally verifies these, but trust the writers.
as you will see, the writers are banking on this, but it is not a good thing to trust the wtbts writers.
please find the bibliography worked out for quotes 38-51, covering the heading "what about human evolution".. interesting is that many quotes are from the [u]preface[/u] of books, where the authors honestly explain the difficulties and assumptions related to evolutionary science.. [b]what about human evolution?[/b].
-
-
Designer Stubble
Looking up all the references is a lot of work - one of the reasons nobody normally verifies these, but trust the writers. As you will see, the writers are banking on this, but it is not a good thing to trust the WTBTS writers. Please find the Bibliography worked out for quotes 38-51, covering the heading "WHAT ABOUT HUMAN EVOLUTION".
Interesting is that many quotes are from the [u]preface[/u] of books, where the authors honestly explain the difficulties and assumptions related to evolutionary science.
[b]What about human evolution?[/b]
Quote 38:
At the beginning of the 20th century, all the fossils that were used to support the theory that humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor could fit on one billiard table. Since then, the number of fossils has increased. Now it is claimed that they would fill a railroad boxcar.Actual Reference 38:
An often repeated creationist canard insists that all known human fossils would fit on a billiard table. This was probably true in the late 19th century, but it has not been true for a 100 years. Known human fossils number in the thousands and represent the remains of hundreds of individuals. They are more numerous and better studied than the fossils of any other vertebrae group, because the intense interest that people have for the bones of their ancestors has driven them to devote far more effort to collecting and studying fossil humans than say fossil horses or herring. Having seen most of the major collections of human fossils in the world’s museums, we can assure our readers that those collections can no longer be laid out on a billiard table. It would be hard to cram them all into a boxcar.Quote 39:
However, the vast majority of those fossils consist only of single bones and isolated teeth. Complete skulls – let alone complete skeletons – are rare.Explanation of Actual Reference 39:
What this book further attempts to do, bearing in mind that results from studies of small numbers of post-cranial fossils have not been overly persuasive within the profession, is to carry out these studies using large samples. This means that we can better know populations through averages and variations, and be less dependent upon the vagaries of single, possibly far from average, specimens. Such studies have to be based upon teeth, because these are the only anatomical parts that are available in such large samples. Using teeth means we lose the functional inferences that can be readily derived from post-cranial bones. But we gain from the marked improvements in the sample sizes.Quote 40:
Perhaps the only consensus now is that there is no consensus.Actual Reference 40:
At any point in time, the number of hominin genera and species recognized by the majority of specialists will be limited, reflecting the merging into a single category of specimens previously categorized as separate. But in turn new claims for taxonomic uniqueness keep the pool large, until affected by their own cycle of merger. Figure 1 is indicative of the addition of new taxa to the hominins; while most of these have subsequently been subsumed and disappeared from the literature, the chart shows that the pattern of new names for new finds show no signs of introduction of new genera has declined since 1970. There has been a substantial number of different classificatory schemes, both from those associated with the newer discoveries and from those standing to one side of these. [u]Perhaps the only consensus now is that there is no consensus.[/u]
Both ‘splitters’ – those who favour multiple species and genera – and ‘lumpers’ – those who prefer a classificatory and phylogenetic scheme with fewer taxons – vary in the criteria they consider essential to their classificatory scheme.Quote 41:
Nothing is known of the actual timing and mode of divergence of the African ape and hominid lineages.Actual Reference 41:
With the discovery of Ardipithecus, Orrorin and Sahelanthropus, our knowledge of hominid evolution before the emergence of Pliocene species of Australopithecus has significantly increased, extending the hominid fossil record back to at least 6 million years (Myr) ago. However, because of the dearth of fossil hominoid remains in sub-Saharan Africa spanning the period 12–7 Myr ago, [u]nothing is known of the actual timing and mode of divergence of the African ape and hominid lineages[/u]. Most genomic-based studies suggest a late divergence date—5–6 Myr ago and 6–8 Myr ago for the human–chimp and human–gorilla splits, respectively—and some palaeontological and molecular analyses hypothesize a Eurasian origin of the African ape and hominid clade. We report here the discovery and recognition of a new species of great ape, Chororapithecus abyssinicus, from the 10–10.5-Myr-old deposits of the Chorora Formation at the southern margin of the Afar rift. To the best of our knowledge, these are the first fossils of a large-bodied Miocene ape from the African continent north of Kenya. They exhibit a gorilla-sized dentition that combines distinct shearing crests with thick enamel on its 'functional' side cusps. Visualization of the enamel–dentine junction by micro-computed tomography reveals shearing crest features that partly resemble the modern gorilla condition. These features represent genetically based structural modifications probably associated with an initial adaptation to a comparatively fibrous diet. The relatively flat cuspal enamel–dentine junction and thick enamel, however, suggest a concurrent adaptation to hard and/or abrasive food items. The combined evidence suggests that Chororapithecus may be a basal member of the gorilla clade, and that the latter exhibited some amount of adaptive and phyletic diversity at around 10–11 Myr ago.
Quote 42:
The classification and the evolutionary place of hominid fossils has been under constant debate.
Actual Reference 42:
One of the main reasons of the [b]different interpretations[/b] of the evolutionary way of the hominids is that [u]the classification and the evolutionary place of hominid fossils has been under constant debate[/u]. It is caused partly because hominid fossils are not plentiful – inspite of the growing number of the fossils – and perhaps partly because there are a number of rival discovery teams, and the importance of a new hominid fossil discovery is enhanced if the discovery apparently requires new classifications and/or new interpretations.
Quote 43 & 45:
See brochureActual Reference 43 & 45:
UNBRIDLED hoopla attended the unveiling of a 47-millionyear-old fossil primate at the American Museum of Natural History in New York on 19 May. The popular press immediately hailed the specimen as a “missing link” in human evolution. Some called it the “eighth wonder of the world”. Google even incorporated an image of the fossil into its celebrated logo. Now that the first proper description of the fossil, nicknamed Ida, has been published, the task of separating the scientific significance of the fossil from the mass of public relations hype can begin. Ida is the first known member of a new genus and species (Darwinius massillae) belonging to an extinct group of early primates called the adapiforms, whose overall proportions and anatomy resemble those of a lemur. What does this tell us about her place on the family tree of humans and other primates? The fact that Ida retains features found in all early primates indicates that she belongs somewhere closer to the base of the tree than living lemurs do. But this does not necessarily make Ida a close relative of the anthropoids – the group of primates that includes monkeys, apes, you and me. To be connected in this way, Ida would have to have anthropoid-like features that evolved after anthropoids split away from lemurs and other early primates. Here she fails miserably: Ida is not a “missing link” in human evolution. She is, nevertheless, a remarkably complete specimen that promises to teach us a great deal about the biology of some of the earliest and least human-like of known primates. For this, we can celebrate her discovery as a real, if incremental advance. If Ida herself offers only limited extra insight into primate evolution, the PR campaign which greeted her raises the marketing of science to unprecedented heights. As a practising scientist, I applaud fellow scientists’ efforts to promote their findings to a wide audience. But there remains an important difference between the type of publicity that scientists work towards and that which rock stars, sports personalities and politicians seek.
The currency that we trade in is rooted in data and objectivity. If we ever allow marketers and publicists to divorce us from that simple standard, we will quickly find our work being evaluated on the same basis as the advertising campaign for the next world tour of the Rolling Stones. Shall we all begin tuning our guitars?Quote 44:
Whole article can be found at:
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/may/19/ida-fossil-missing-link[/url]Quote 46 is in line with actual reference:
“With limited data it is difficult to assess accurately the survival rate of different late Pliocene and Pleistocene fossil hominins. With such data it is easier to study the survival rate of newly patented species in the literature. The recovery of fossil hominin skeletal material operates, and has always operated, in a contemporary framework: that of physical access, national priorities, research funding and individual research passions. The interpretation of these finds, and in particular their initial naming, so frequently claiming uniqueness, emphasizes the subjectivity of these frameworks. The leader of a research team may need to over-emphasize the uniqueness and drama of a ‘discovery’ in order to attract research funding from outside the conventional academic sources, and they will certainly be encouraged in this by the print and electronic media, looking for a dramatic story.”Quote 47:
“Any facial ‘reconstructions’ of early hominids are likely to be misleading.”Context of Actual Reference 47:
Depending on the reconstruction technique (Russian, British or American) there may be slight variation in the size of the nose and/or mouth. Mouth size for example can differ up to 1 cm.Quote 48:
One group of researchers used brain size to speculate which extinct creatures were more closely related to man admitted that in doing so, “they often feel on shaky ground.”Context of Actual Reference 48:
Here is a foreword in a book simply explaining a number of educated assumptions. “We use these (Brain size) to offer speculations about the interrelatedness and evolution through time, and even here we [u]often feel on shaky ground”[/u].Quote 49:
“Scientists have failed to find a correlation between absolute or relevant brain size and acumen amongst humans and other species. Neither have they been able to discern a parallel between wits and the size or existence of specific regions of the brain, excepting perhaps Broca’s area, which governs speech in people.”
Actual Reference 49:
The above, plus: “Why have we failed to find this correlation? Because anatomically, the human brain is very similar to that of other primates because humans and chimpanzees share an ancestor, that walked the earth less than 7 million years ago.”Quote 50:
“Neanderthals may have been a true human race”Actual Reference 50:
“Since their first discovery, Neandertals have served as an out-group for interpreting human variation. Their out-group role has changed over the years because in spite of the fact that Neandertals are the most abundant of all fossil remains (or perhaps because of this) their interpretation is the most controversial of all human fossils. Many believe them to be a different, albeit human-like species, but recent genetic evidence supports anatomical interpretations indicating that interbreeding with other humans was an important aspect of human evolution. The combination of anatomical difference and restricted gene flow between populations suggests the possibility that [u]Neanderthals may have been a true human race[/u].”Quote 51:
“Such pictures as this are based on the biases and assumptions of researchers and artists, not on facts.”Actual Reference 51:
“We view our pictures only as ancillary illustrations of what we defend by words…The familiar iconographies of evolution are all directed, sometimes crudely, sometimes subtly, towards reinforcing a comfortable view of human inevitability and superiority. The starkest version, the chain of being or ladder of linear progress, has an ancient, pre-evolutionary pedigree.”[/ -
27
JWs District Convention 2010 Drawn Closer to Jehovah. My reflections
by onemore inseptember will mark my first year out of the watch towers darkness (pun intended).
i embarked on my full blown search for truth about the truth in april 2009, and by september of that same year i was convinced the organization was no different than any other religion; but i was wrong again.
because if there were like any other christian denomination, such as the baptists, methodists, presbyterians, lutherans, etc...it would have been a lot easier to endure sitting in their meetings, listening to their rhetoric, and engaging in some of their activities.
-
-
Designer Stubble
Thank you for sharing. This reconfirms my non attendance... It is really becoming more and more CULT like.